Talk:Complete open source games

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Contents 1 Complete, non-casual 1.1 Casual Games 2 Ideas for games to be added 2.1 Empty Clip 2.2 Shotgun Debugger 2.3 Arbarlith II 2.4 VDrift 2.5 Tux the Penguin: A Quest for Herring 2.6 Rigs Of Rods 2.7 Egoboo 2.8 Project Starfighter 2.9 Wormux, Hedgewars, Teeworlds 2.10 Marathon Aleph One 2.11 Metal Blob Solid 2.12 UFO2000 2.13 UFO:AI 2.14 Widelands 3 Games removed 3.1 Nogravity 3.2 Simutrans 3.3 Spring 4 Rejected 4.1 Quake 1, 2, & 3 5 Already Added 5.1 Alien Arena 5.2 AssaultCube 5.3 Flightgear 5.4 Fish Fillets NG 5.5 Fall of Imiryn 5.6 FreeCol 5.7 Glest 5.8 Neverball 5.9 No Gravity 5.10 Pingus, SuperTux, Adonthell 5.11 Privateer: Gemini Gold 5.12 Scorched 3D 5.13 Scourge 5.14 Simutrans 5.15 Torcs 5.16 Tremulous 5.17 Vega Strike 5.18 World of Padman 6 Non-network multiplayer? 7 Media: NC = partially free?

Complete, non-casual

You got ideas for improving the explanation of what a complete or non-casual (or incomplete or casual ^^) game is? --qubodup 19:32, 29 January 2008 (CET)

is chess casual? poker? diplomacy? original text Adventure? Doom? I'm not understanding the distinction nor the purpose of the distinction... -- Akb4 08:05, 13 March 2009 (CET)

yes, yes, depends, no text-only entries, not-free. Distinction is, is it a casual game? Or a significant project. --FreeGamer 02:48, 13 May 2009 (CEST)

My aim was to keep board and card games out of this list (because there are too many) - I hope this list will rather sooner than later become superfluous and instead the sub-lists (see About this list) will replace it. Then it would of course be fine to have a board games list and a card games list. --qubodup 10:38, 13 March 2009 (CET)

Would be good clarify that up and rename the list, as most peoples idea of "casual" isn't board games, but more stuff like Wii games, i.e. calling it "Complete, open source video games" would maybe a good title. I don't think that splitting it up is such a good idea, its a small list already, so splitting it to multiple pages will just make things more complicated, splitting it up into different sections is probably a better idea. -- Grumbel 07:36, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

Sounds good, I'm getting tired of the comma and long name and one page is better for the lazy. Your sections suggestion is good. I'll get on it --qubodup 09:53, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

Casual Games

What about games like Frozen Bubble, Those Funny Funguloids, I Have No Tomatoes and SolarWolf? Separate page for these kinda throw away 5-minute games?

"trivial", "casual" - it's all the same :) but yeah, I don't want these games in this list as I don't consider them 'real' games, but pause-games like Frozen Bubble and Hex-a-Hop and Gweled deserve being listed somewhere. Is there a nicer word than "trivial"? I think TFF has virtually no gameplay and Solarwolf looks bad though. --qubodup 01:32, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

You just said the better word Q, and had it in the original title. Casual games... I created a link from the article. --FreeGamer 02:48, 13 May 2009 (CEST)

Ideas for games to be added

Empty Clip

[1] --FreeGamer 11:16, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

Shotgun Debugger

[2] --FreeGamer 18:52, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

Arbarlith II

[3] --FreeGamer 18:55, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

VDrift

[4] --FreeGamer 18:56, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

Tux the Penguin: A Quest for Herring

[5] - there should be another homepage somewhere but I can't currently locate it. --FreeGamer 17:08, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Take a ride on the time train, baby! - Unfortunately I fail at compiling it. something about jsjoystick and I have the latest joytools installed...--qubodup 22:08, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Rigs Of Rods

[6]

I thought it was just a sandbox simulator. is there racing or fighting implemented?--qubodup 22:14, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Egoboo

[7]

plz still add your signature and perhaps a reason to why? I thought egoboo was technically playable but last time I played it there seemed not to be a level with an aim..--qubodup 22:11, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Project Starfighter

If Metal Blob Solid is considered, so this should be too

It is a complete game, thought ugly imho, but I believe the the media is suspicious. character images are from rpgmaker media packages... I dont have any proof or interest to prove it. I guess you can add it if you fill out all info.--qubodup 22:16, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Wormux, Hedgewars, Teeworlds

Can't see why any of these does not qualify. --FreeGamer 00:36, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

teeworlds does. if wormux and hedgewars have sound/animations, they probably too. because these elements are important to the cute-factoer, which imho is important for an animal-artillery game to be complete. --qubodup 22:12, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

Marathon Aleph One

Not sure if the graphics are modern enough, but Matharon is a complete game nonetheless. --FreeGamer 19:46, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Graphics suck, but that's probably no criterium.. I started playing it, died soon.. if someone has played it and thinks it deserves to be listed, please fill it in! --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

I would like this game added, but someone has to research the data license and I don't have time sniffing out zip files right now :| --qubodup 04:52, 31 January 2009 (CET)

It's a nice old fps, i played marathon infinity on mac when i was a kid. Nice combat with bits of story and interesting missions. A bit hard though, lots of dodging and hit&run tactics needed. Fists do extra damage if you hit your enemy while running towards him. Ah, conserving ammo for the tough baddies is fun =) also vacuum missions where you have to find your objectives fast or you'll run out of oxygen, definitely panic. Or killing those mighty juggernauts who fire guided missiles, and watch them go nuclear as they hit the ground. Also has a few nice multiplayer modes and level editing tools. Just played through the first two and a half levels of the marathon-infinity campaign (which is the third, i think, but the only one i know), and it works nicely. According to the sourceforge project page the project (engine) itself is under GPL, not sure about the license of the separate content downloads, couldn't find any license but they are endorsed by the original team so i'd assume freeware but not opensource. Since it does have multiplayer, and a couple of campaigns tied together by a story, and even level editing tools, i'd say it is worth adding, despite the outdated graphics. Ghoulsblade 02:35, 13 May 2009 (CEST).

charlie said i should add it to the list, so i did, don't blame me =P Ghoulsblade 03:01, 13 May 2009 (CEST)

Metal Blob Solid

Yes, it's a simple 2D platformer/shooter, but it's a good one. :) [Note: Some people say it uses non-free content.] And unlike Supertux it's finished and playable. Since it has a progressive story, good level design, good graphics and a good lifetime I consider it non-casual. KIAaze

Agreed, but make sure you fill in the correct media licensing info --qubodup 21:55, 25 February 2008 (CET)

UFO2000

Pretty complete as a multiplayer experience but I'm unsure how much it relies on the original game data --FreeGamer 00:40, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

I believe it relies 100% on it. --qubodup 22:13, 14 May 2009 (CEST)

UFO:AI

UFO:AI - what was the reason for not adding this one yet? --FreeGamer 15:55, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

Yes, it's not complete --qubodup 07:04, 1 May 2008 (CEST)

Agreed, came ends prematurely at the moment, but they're working on it. --FreeGamer 14:30, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Widelands

Widelands might be a complete game. I'm not sure though. Does it have all functions like soldiers, storyline, seafaring included and is it stable? --qubodup 02:37, 30 January 2008 (CET)

I wouldn’t say Widelands is complete. It is playable, albeit a bit buggy and missing some features. --Kess 16:46, 6 February 2008 (CET)

The upcoming release build14 should make the list --FreeGamer 00:40, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

Games removed

Nogravity

I removed it. Please use the history to put it back in as soon as license info is clear. --qubodup 06:27, 31 January 2009 (CET)

Readded with details --FreeGamer 14:21, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Simutrans

I removed it. Please use the history to put it back in as soon as license info is clear. --qubodup 06:27, 31 January 2009 (CET)

Readded with details --FreeGamer 14:21, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Spring

I will remove Spring, as it's an engine. If you want to include a spring game, find out it's details and suggest it/put it in the list if its code is 100% open source. --qubodup 04:47, 31 January 2009 (CET)

Rejected

Quake 1, 2, & 3

While originally commercial games, the source for all three games have been released. It does fit the criteria to be on this list (the media is still non-free though) --Fydo 23:04, 25 February 2008 (CET)

Hm. Any ideas on how to change the criteria? Because I'm not for listing games, which are not free as in beer. --qubodup 23:48, 25 February 2008 (CET)

I've made a change to the criteria that I think will exclude any non "free as in beer" games. Let me know what you think? --Fydo 00:27, 26 February 2008 (CET)

Pretty good I say. :) --qubodup 00:45, 26 February 2008 (CET)

Aren't the demo versions of Id games as complete as Valve's "episodes" of Half-Life 2? --Tepples 02:44, 17 May 2008 (CEST)

They were never released under gpl. I'm not talking about the media. "quake" was never in any form released under gpl. "quake engines" were. --qubodup 05:12, 17 April 2009 (CEST)

I think this has been quite clearly rejected. Commercial game demos, with GPL code or not, do not count. If iD release the game content as free-as-in-beer downloads, they can be added. Until then, it does not meet our criteria. --FreeGamer 14:30, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Already Added

• Lincity NG
• Sauerbraten is pretty solid and non-casual these days

Alien Arena

Alien Arena is as worthy as e.g. Warsow. --FreeGamer 19:44, 21 February 2008 (CET)

ugh =) I think I red something somewhere about it, that it doesn't have multiplayer! --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

That about no multiplayer was totally stupid. anyways - found info on lincense. If it's decently playable put it in. http://svn.icculus.org/alienarena/trunk/docs/license.txt?view=markup --qubodup 10:19, 7 March 2008 (CET)

Absolutely worthy of this list--Julius 22:13, 17 June 2008 (CEST)

AssaultCube

I added AssaultCube. It can be discribed as a simpler version of counterstrike and it's very stable and very playable (It has multiple multiplayer modes too and good-enough graphics). I might be wrong though. --qubodup 13:20, 30 January 2008 (CET)

Flightgear

Now it's reached version 1.0 and is comparable to it's commercial counterparts, surely Flightgear should be there. --FreeGamer 15:27, 1 February 2008 (CET)

I don't know anything about it, I have a mental blockade against flight sims, If you are able to fill all the gaps (at least try and don't be too lazy =) after all you're this game's fan =)) and if you're sure it's completeness is comparable to let's say... the ms flight sim or whatever, go for it. --qubodup 17:52, 1 February 2008 (CET)

Added it. --FreeGamer 17:06, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Fish Fillets NG

I really think Fish Fillets NG should be on this list. It's complete, it looks good, and the only drawback is the speech pack is currently only available in Czech. --FreeGamer 15:17, 1 February 2008 (CET)

I think it might count as a casual game, as it's more of a puzzle than a real game (like skoban, or whatever it's called, which is IMHO not a serious game.) Is Fish Fillets NG complete? (Does the story line end or is there some abrupth halt (which would mean incomplete.) I can't judge it, because I'm not a good puzzle gamer (at least not this game), but please explain how the game is not casual, before adding it. --qubodup 17:52, 1 February 2008 (CET)

It's not non-casual - it's insanely difficult. It is complete. It ticks more of the boxes than most of the other games there, so I went ahead and added it. --FreeGamer 16:56, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Easy does not mean casual. I think puzzle games are 'casual games' and AFAIK filets is a puzzle game.--qubodup 17:13, 21 February 2008 (CET)

There's a difference between sokoban and a game with story, well crafted levels, distinctive art, and a fairly unique style of puzzle. --FreeGamer 05:04, 22 February 2008 (CET)

If you gave skoban a story, music, art, voice and effects, would it not still be skoban? Well, no, but would it still be a puzzle game? mhhmhmhmhmmmyes. For example I tried the Drod demo and it's amazing! Super characters, super voice, looks ok but still a puzzle game. Though a totally different feeling! In any case filets will stay and some day the list will be split into genres. Because there are many 'complete' slash and hacks for example and because I want to mention hex-a-hop somewhere =) --qubodup 13:47, 23 February 2008 (CET)

Fall of Imiryn

It's a complete JRPG with a few bugs but start and end! --qubodup 18:04, 21 April 2009 (CEST)

FreeCol

FreeCol is very playable these days with plenty of polish and depth --FreeGamer 15:39, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

I never finished a game session and can't tell if the bot is good, but I think this should be listed. --qubodup 07:06, 1 May 2008 (CEST)

Glest

Now Glest 3.1 is out, it is fully multiplayer and pretty complete from that perspective, with non-storyline singleplayer gameplay. --FreeGamer 17:12, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Sounds good. I won't be able to test it too soon though.--qubodup 17:20, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Nice, Julius added it. --qubodup 12:38, 26 March 2008 (CET)

Neverball

no objections--qubodup 05:45, 17 April 2009 (CEST)

No Gravity

Now this has to qualify, No Gravity is very well done and well presented, has pretty much everything you like to see in a game. --FreeGamer 17:24, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Never was able to run it :( your choice :) --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

Pingus, SuperTux, Adonthell

None of them is "finished" in the sense that they are done forever and never will be worked on again, but all of them are done in the sense that they provide a complete gameplay experience from start to finish, along with intro, outro and credits. They are probably best compared to episodic releases, full and self contained, with more stuff following later. -- Grumbel 07:40, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

I will add adonthell (or rather "waste's edge"). Do pingus and supertux have endings? Or do they have levels and plot but no real traditional/classical ending? --qubodup 09:53, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

The endings in both Pingus and SuperTux-0.1.3 are pretty much classical video game endings, except that they don't end with a "The End" but with a "To be continued", credits and ending cutscene are included in both. -- Grumbel 23:50, 16 April 2009 (CEST)

You're definitely good to go then.=] --qubodup 05:44, 17 April 2009 (CEST)

Privateer: Gemini Gold

PGG is complete and playable. The latest version replaced some rather garish low res screens with hires versions, making it a very nice game. --FreeGamer 17:02, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Never played it and not my type of game. If you know that it's complete, go on. --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

Scorched 3D

Scorched 3D looks very nice these days. --FreeGamer 19:46, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Is it playable/complete? I didn't manage to play it, always expected it to react like NWN, but it's a s&h after all.. --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

It is more or less complete, MP only, needs adding. --FreeGamer 16:10, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Scourge

Scourge (on SF) - watch out for the next release --FreeGamer 15:39, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

Can now be completed as of 0.21, added it! --FreeGamer 14:30, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Simutrans

Simuntras (community) is a complete game and, unlike OpenTTD, open source. --FreeGamer 21:04, 26 February 2008 (CET)

How is OpenTTD not open source? Isn't it just an engine? About Simutrans, last time I checked it was not very playable. And IIRC the KI was insane. Don't know what the status of the game is now. --qubodup 00:20, 27 February 2008 (CET)

OpenTTD requires the TTD data files which are (at best) abandonware. Simutrans has all-Free media. --FreeGamer 18:21, 6 April 2008 (CEST)

True, OpenTTD as a game isn't free as in software and even not free as in beer. The question is whether simutrans is playable. --qubodup 10:26, 7 April 2008 (CEST)

Torcs

Torcs is pretty complete these days --FreeGamer 03:08, 3 May 2008 (CEST)

Tremulous

I added Tremulous, although it has no official bots, only one game mode, no music, no single-player or story. It's multi-player mode is very complex though and makes up for missing alternative game modes. --qubodup 12:57, 30 January 2008 (CET)

Vega Strike

Vega Strike is about as complete as FOSS games come with a wide array of impressive ships, a huge never-ending style of game, and it looks great too --FreeGamer 15:19, 30 April 2008 (CEST)

World of Padman

I never was able to run it. Will try right now, but am not very optimistic. Maybe someone can add it (if s/he thinks that it's 'complete'? --qubodup 17:17, 8 February 2008 (CET)

It's definitely complete, and by far the most polished presentation of any open source game out there. I think it should be added. --FreeGamer 16:57, 21 February 2008 (CET)

Doesn't run on my machine :( --qubodup 13:54, 23 February 2008 (CET)

Fix your machine! Has always run on my machine without a hitch --Julius 22:14, 17 June 2008 (CEST)

Non-network multiplayer?

From the table legend:

⁵Single-player mode, more than MP with bots ⁶Network multi-player mode

Why is there no column for a non-network multi-player mode, where each player holds one gamepad and all players look at a single large monitor? Or are most games with such a mode "casual"? --Tepples 19:27, 16 May 2008 (CEST)

I'll remove the "network" from the description--qubodup 04:45, 31 January 2009 (CET)

Media: NC = partially free?

Why is oolite's media "partially free"? I stick to the freedomdefined.org definition - noncommercial is nonfree by that definition.--qubodup 01:35, 12 May 2009 (CEST)