Peter I want something other than flare, have played it. Wanted to know if something else is out there. You look at commercial games and most of them don't have it. The idea should be more on exploration and journey and learning rather than dying. You could have a game where there is a hardcore mode which has permadeath. While there are many examples, one recent example from commercial games is hobo tough life. Even Icarus, a sort of PvE games has a penalty system but doesn't stop you from exploring the world altogether. Another one whose gameplay I have seen Kitaria Fables, it just gets the character into next day. I am sharing a mix of both AAA and independent games. I do hope some developer in our community does take this into account.